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Skyler Qu's avatar

I also wonder if this has to do with students who get admitted to top institutions being judged less and less on their ability to do well in class/take tests and instead on their ability to have strong extracurriculars, due to the high saturation of students with 3.7+ GPAs and 1500+ SATs.

I know many people within my class who reached top institutions despite being "bad students." Not showing up to classes, ChatGPTing their assignments, only studying for tests through all-nighters the day before etc. They spend all their time working on their extracurricular activities for college applications that they fail to remember and learn content, they're unable to analyze texts without Sparknotes and ChatGPT shortcuts, and in general, the grades they receive don't reflect what they've learned. They optimize themselves to do the bare minimum in class to receive just enough credit to get an A, and they end up not actually learning or excelling in their classes and not knowing how to do the skills these classes are supposed to teach. (Maybe they lock in for one class just for the recommendation).

I think the less people think about school as the stepping stone for college, the more people will actually try to learn in their classes. To them, college admissions is just a game, and all they do is min-max that shit. Very cool article though, that was very fun to read :]. See you at Bulldog Days maybe.

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Jessie Ewesmont's avatar

I liked this article a lot. One thing that came to mind: the SAT takes 2 hours ish. So everyone who crushes the SAT can focus (and focus *well*, absorbing, retaining, and processing information) for at least 2 hours straight. But then we shouldn't expect to see students struggle with reading long books so much. All they'd have to do is spend 2 hours reading a day (or even 1 hour, if they want to take it easy) and they'd get through English classics/seminal works in philosophy/lots of math exercises in no time. So the *pure attention span* they have is more than sufficient to be a great student.

We might be looking at a lack of desire, more than a lack of ability. They desire to do well on the SATs, so they lock in for those 2 hours and crush the test. But they don't lock in every day, because they don't desire to make reading or doing math a routine part of their daily life. Most of the successful academics I know read for at least an hour a day, even when they're on vacation. If students don't have the desire to do this, then they won't be successful academics. You can make up some stories about why they've lost the motivation (ChatGPT makes it too easy?) but that's pretty speculative. But I think the root cause is not that they can't focus, it's that they don't want to.

By the way...

> It looks like remedial math students use their phones a little more, but also consider themselves less addicted (weird!).

This isn't weird to me. Lots of addicts are in denial about the extent of their addiction and maintain that they can stop any time they want. But also, if you're terminally online and hang out with terminally online people all day, you might get a warped idea of how much phone usage is normal. So someone who uses their phones for 5 hours every day, but mostly talks to people who use their phone for 7 hours every day, is going to start thinking that they're actually a below-average phone user, and hence less addicted.

I also suspect that people aren't very good at self-assessing how many hours they've used their phone every day. I couldn't give you a confident answer as to how many hours I've used my phone yesterday myself without checking. It's probably a lot less than 4.98 hours, though... Anyway, if you do surveys like this in the future, you should probably instruct respondents to rely on the "phone usage" statistics that most modern smartphones will provide upon request.

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