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Silas Abrahamsen's avatar

I take it that Amos' point was simply that we shouldn't care about justification in itself, and a true belief isn't itself inferior to a justified true beliefs. It seems like most of your arguments are arguments to the effect that justification is instrumentally valuable because it leads to less error outside of the single belief we have stipulated to be true. But I don't think Amos' position is in conflict with that. Sure justification is valuable because it makes us better at getting true beliefs, but the justification part is completely irrelevant to the value of any particular true belief.

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Ali Afroz's avatar

I’m not sure your counterexamples actually disprove what Amos argued. Indeed, in all your examples, the actual problem seems to be that you have false beliefs about topics on whom true information is valuable. For example, in the Newton example the actual problem is that you have false beliefs about how gravity works which makes space travel harder, if your belief is in fact true, you won’t have this problem. Similarly, in the chicken farmer example your actual problem is that you have false beliefs about the effects of killing chicken farmers, which is the real reason why you are behaving in ways that are predictably bad for your goals. Unless I’m misunderstanding some of your examples, this seems to be the case for pretty much all of your examples.

Also, just thinking about it, it seems to me that justified true beliefs are what we actually want. We want true beliefs because accurate information is often valuable for achieving our goals like following policies that actually give us the effects we want or making technological advances like vaccines. We want to reason in a justified way, because reasoning in unjustified ways will predictably lead to us coming up with less accurate beliefs, unless we get lucky, which by definition is not something we can have control over. So reasoning in justified ways is in expectation. The best strategy for obtaining accurate valuable information, which is instrumentally useful for achieving almost any goal. This also justifies the common intuition that knowledge is something even bad actors rationally want since it appeals to purely instrumental reasons rather than virtue. That said, even if you disagree with my argument regarding why justified true beliefs are quite satisfactory for our purposes. My criticism of your examples still stands.

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